Curse

ruk1a · May 19, 2010, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by LowOiL

Just an old fellow here that likes to play GWs to relax, have logged in about 7k hours and just now have finally got 25 titles maxed. I hoped to get GWAMM eventually and I am close to level 11 Kurz now (all just HH vanquishes)... I am sorta a loner and don't really do guild thing alot, but I do take pride in the accomplishments I have managed. All PvE and I don't even have a clue how to PvP.

/SIGNED

Please Anet do your best to stop the bots. I worked hard for what titles I have, please don't let cheaters devalue my accomplishments.

I'm sorry but it's far too late.

Oh and expect a ban soon for legitimately farming your titles.

dancing gnome · May 19, 2010, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

The specific bot he mentioned has always been free, or at least it has been free for quite a while (around a year).

Oh, look....this thread is 30 pages now.....still no reply? Wow, I'm shocked

A "petition" to "demand" something was never going to get any respect. You have to give a little to get a little. A thread with this much (understandable) aggression is a flashing neon light exclaiming "Posting here is futile".

00039 · May 19, 2010, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Anet will never ever admit there's a botting problem since it'll cut into GW2 sales, it's as simple as that.

Elephantaliste · May 19, 2010, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Ye, why would they communicate about all problems they can't solve ? it is not like if botting was specific to gw.
tl;dr What is everyone expecting from a response ? empathy ? I heard it will get nerfed.

Their core activity is game designing, not hacking prevention. And they are trying to make gw2 less rewardfull to grinding/botting/leeching. Maybe they will succeed, maybe they will fail. Life is not about playing on computer only anyway.

Martin Alvito · May 19, 2010, 07:49 AM // 07:49

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Originally Posted by merek

Why not make those reports public so we can all see what A-net is doing about this issue? That way everyone can see and judge A-net with facts not just speculation.

U.S. law. Right to privacy.

Doing this would be the fastest way for the company to commit suicide. The damages in the subsequent class action would be crushing.

Nerel · May 19, 2010, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

Ye, why would they communicate about all problems they can't solve ? it is not like if botting was specific to gw.
tl;dr What is everyone expecting from a response ? empathy ? I heard it will get nerfed.

Amazingly I don't think you know what tl;dr means.

Aljasha · May 19, 2010, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by 00039

Anet will never ever admit there's a botting problem since it'll cut into GW2 sales, it's as simple as that.

Actually, they know about this problem, but they probably won't ever tell when or what they did to get rid of some bots, because telling the public about measures taken is like handing the very source code to hackers. You'll probably read more threads named "help i got banned for no reason" once those measures are in place and working.

Karate Jesus · May 19, 2010, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

A "petition" to "demand" something was never going to get any respect. You have to give a little to get a little. A thread with this much (understandable) aggression is a flashing neon light exclaiming "Posting here is futile".

As I've said before and will undoubtedly have to say again, "Petition to Demand [Blank]" is a protest term. It's actually a legal term. If you were to file for the right to protest an event at your local city's office, their form would be titled something similar.

That said, I personally couldn't give less of a rat's ass what the thread is called. If a mod wants to move it, that's fine. However, I seriously doubt that a new name will improve our chances of getting a response from Anet.

Actually, it's been a while since I've seen any thread answered by an Anet employee on Guru. I think they've moved on. For example, here are Regina's responses on GW2Guru lately and here are her responses on GWGuru lately. Rather large difference.

JR · May 19, 2010, 04:24 PM // 16:24

If this develops into nothing more than an attack thread it will be closed. The topic is the issue of botting, stay on it.

Elephantaliste · May 19, 2010, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Amazingly I don't think you know what tl;dr means.

It looks like on GwG forums im never explicit enough... so it might explain such a thing...

As JR said,
/close... it is going nowhere

AtomicMew · May 19, 2010, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

It looks like on GwG forums im never explicit enough... so it might explain such a thing...

tldr means too long didn't read. How can you tldr a point that was one sentence long with another point of the same length? Obviously if you tldr something else, you need to specify what that is.

merek · May 19, 2010, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

U.S. law. Right to privacy.

Doing this would be the fastest way for the company to commit suicide. The damages in the subsequent class action would be crushing.

I don't want to know the botters names,where the live etc.. erase that from the report but just give us a solid number.. not like Gaile and say oh we ban around 1000 or so a week... and along with the report (w/o the personal info) a answer to this problem because it is out of control.

snaek · May 19, 2010, 06:21 PM // 18:21

i don't think they're lying bout banning bots. they're just not banning enough to make people feel any threat or any risk of running a bot with consequence.

also, i'm fairly certain that their usual targets are the pve farming bots for rmt. i think they need to start prioritizing gvg/ha pvp botters.

Reverend Dr · May 19, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

U.S. law. Right to privacy.

Doing this would be the fastest way for the company to commit suicide. The damages in the subsequent class action would be crushing.

While it very likely would be a fast way to commit publicity suicide, U.S. Privacy laws don't apply to "my avatar was doing this on an online forum." Personal information given out would be against the law (unless you signed that right away, like the loophole Facebook uses), but in-game only events are completely outside that law.

Karate Jesus · May 19, 2010, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

As JR said,
/close... it is going nowhere

Honestly, closing the thread would be a waste. Anet needs to be aware of these issues.

Speaking of which, the new HA protbot is almost done. Basically, it reads enemy skill usage and pre-prots spikes, lifts conditions in less than a second, hexes in the same, and etc.

It's going to be bad.

Martin Alvito · May 19, 2010, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

While it very likely would be a fast way to commit publicity suicide, U.S. Privacy laws don't apply to "my avatar was doing this on an online forum." Personal information given out would be against the law (unless you signed that right away, like the loophole Facebook uses), but in-game only events are completely outside that law.

This would be a very easy case:

- You banned me.
- You released the information that you banned me.
- Someone I know found out about it.
- This discovery caused me personal embarassment.
- Give me some money to compensate me for the emotional distress you caused by disclosing true, but private information.

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Originally Posted by merek

I don't want to know the botters names,where the live etc.. erase that from the report but just give us a solid number.. not like Gaile and say oh we ban around 1000 or so a week... and along with the report (w/o the personal info) a answer to this problem because it is out of control.

Why would you believe the number? ANet doesn't have a sterling record of truthfulness.

Xslash · May 19, 2010, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Honestly, closing the thread would be a waste. Anet needs to be aware of these issues.

Speaking of which, the new HA protbot is almost done. Basically, it reads enemy skill usage and pre-prots spikes, lifts conditions in less than a second, hexes in the same, and etc.

It's going to be bad.

bad as in bad for players or bad as in a bad bot?

i looked at some of the code.
some functions look like they would dominate any human prot.
others, not some much

1. it uses leech signet and power drain for energy management instead of channeling. though it'll probably never miss, channeling is unmatchable energy-wise for 3 team matches.

2. however, its hardcoded to known when any knockdown skill is used on the prot, and basically "interrupt" it by casting AoS on the infuse. with the 1/4 second cast on AoS, it basically means the infuse aint getting knocked down, because there isnt anytime to strip AoS, and no way to cancel your earth shaker without losing all that adrenaline.

3. the get danger feature is greater than any human can possibly do, because its just not possible for humans.
it automatically can tell who on your team is the most targetted, and SoA them accordingly.

4. i dont know if this is in the code, but its definetely possible:
instantly LS cripple from black mantis thrust, thus defeating half of the SW sins chain.

From the looks of it, the advantages definitely outweigh the disadvantages of the bot, and anet has got to respond if this bot becomes widespread, or else adrenaline based KD's will be useless, Spikes with anyone having a >1 second cast will basically be useless.

DreamWind · May 19, 2010, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by JR

If this develops into nothing more than an attack thread it will be closed. The topic is the issue of botting, stay on it.

Incorrect JR and I'm a bit disappointed in you for thinking that. This thread evolved a long time ago into something greater than just botting. It is now about the fact that Anet no longer cares and it clearly shows even when their game is being ridiculously abused and is going to get worse. Locking the thread achieves nothing but giving Anet the satisfaction of not having to deal with it.

Kattar · May 20, 2010, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Incorrect JR and I'm a bit disappointed in you for thinking that. This thread evolved a long time ago into something greater than just botting. It is now about the fact that Anet no longer cares and it clearly shows even when their game is being ridiculously abused and is going to get worse. Locking the thread achieves nothing but giving Anet the satisfaction of not having to deal with it.

Whiny one liners don't put forth the issue in a matter that ANet will respond to.

That's what JR is talking about.

vamp08 · May 20, 2010, 03:38 AM // 03:38

A lot of the major "supporters" of this thread seem to know the botting site very well.

Case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Anet, look at the guys naming/describing the bots, they are the same guys who use them.

/thread